Klarinet Archive - Posting 000999.txt from 1998/05

From: "RJ Carpenter" <emerald1@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Re: Wind Ensemble
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:25:48 -0400

Since we're speaking of instrumentation and orchestration, I thought
I'd add my $.02 (or is it a dime?). I use a somewhat unconventional
orchestration. Please feel free to tell me what you think. Whenever writing
for the diffferent ensembles, I use the following orchestration:(No, I
didn't bother putting it in score order, Sorry!) :-)
Orchestra:
1st Violins
2nd Violins
1st Viola
2nd Viola (opt.)
Cello
Contrabass
Piccolo
Flute 1
Flute 2
Clarinet 1
Clarinet 2 and Eb Clarinet
Clarinet 3 and Bass Clarinet
Oboe 1
Oboe 2
Cor D'Anglais
Bassoon 1
Bassoon 2
Contrabsn.
1st Trumpets
2nd Trumpets
Trombones
Bass Trombones
Tuba
Various Percussion
Military Band
Piccolo
1st Flutes
2nd Flutes
Ab Clarinet (opt.)
Eb Clarinet(s)
1st Clarinets
2nd Clarinets
3rd Clarinets
Eb Alto Clarinets
Bb Bass Clarinets
EEb Contra-Alto Clar.
BBb ContraBass Clar.
Soprano Sax.
1st Alto Saxes
2nd Alto Saxes
Tenor Saxes
Baritone Sax
Bass Sax
Oboe 1
Oboe 2
Bassoons
1st Trumpets
2nd Trumpets
3rd Trumpets
1st Trombones
2nd Trombones
Bass Trombones
ContraBass Trombone (Opt.)
Tubas
Various Percussion
Wind Ensemble
Piccolo
Flute 1
Flute 2
Eb Clarinet
clarinet 1
clarinet 2
clarinet 3
bass clarinet
alto sax
tenor sax
baritone sax
trumpet 1
trumpet 2
trombone 1
trombone 2
Tuba
Thanks,
Tristan Carpenter
Original Message:
>Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:09:00 -0500 (CDT)
>To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.org>
>From: Roger Garrett <rgarrett@-----.edu>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Wind Ensemble
>Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.94.980516160301.23455A-100000@-----.edu>
>
>On Sat, 16 May 1998, Craig E. Countryman wrote:
>>
>> As it happens, I am listening to a recording of Holst's Second Suite in F
right
>> now. It is being played by the Dallas Wind Symphony. I realize this is
a slight
>> variation on the original term in question, but for what it is worth,
they are
>> using the instrumentation of (1 on a part unless otherwise noted)
>>
>> Flute/Piccolo
>> Eb Clarinet
>> Oboe
>> Solo or 1st Bb Clarinet, Second Bb Clarinet, Third Bb Clarinet
>> Eb Alto Sax
>> Bb Tenor Sax
>> 2 Bassoons
>> Solo or 1st Cornet, Second Cornet, Third Cornet
>> 4 Horns in Eb or F
>> 2 Tenor Trombones
>> 1 Bass Trombone
>> Euphonium
>> Tuba
>> Percussion
>
>Craig,
>
>If you examine the scores for each of the Holst Suites, you will notice
>there are 2 oboe parts, the Eb Clarinet part in the first suite has two
>parts for the beginning of the second movement, 2 Eb Alto parts,
>Baritone Sax (in the editions available for the past 40), and the tuba
>part has doubled octaves at times....requiring at least two players. The
>percussion parts are: Snare, Bass Drum, Cymbal, Triangle, Suspended
>Triangle, Timpani
>
>> Now, this example is not a perfect one, because the Suite is written for
"Military
>> Band" not "Wind Ensemble" or "Wind Symphony". However, it is important
to note
>> because the instrumentation used is strictly in accordance is Holst's
wishes. The
>> editor of this version Colin Matthews makes a big point of noting the
composer's
>> wishes, and any changes he may have made and why.
>
>A "military band" is defined as the English version of the American Band -
>that is - a full size ensemble....not one to a part.
>
>> The point this brings up is that the instrumentation of a professional
"Wind
>> Ensemble" should, in my opinion, be as close to the composer's wishes as
>> possible.
>
>And......what was the Holst Suite in F composed for, and what size band
>played it?
>
>> So, the term generally refers to a group of wind instruments, but is
often seen as
>> a small group of one or two on a part.. It must be adapted to fit both
the
>> composer's wishes, and be practical for the group performing the piece.
>
>Yes....you are correct....it generally refers........however, the original
>poster really was looking for a rule or definition......
>
>You have a good start on the basics of the band instrumentation....I
>especially appreciate your understanding for the need for flexibility when
>it comes to a school program.......
>
>Roger Garrett
>IWU
>

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