Klarinet Archive - Posting 000432.txt from 1998/01

From: "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.net>
Subj: Re: leister recording
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:49:13 -0500

GT--

Cut the b*%)#it!!! Your position is indefensible. No person on this list has
said anything about your opinions. The FACT is that you are negative without
providing ANY balance. You have nerve in how you talk to people, insult people,
and then expect people how to treat you. You could take a lesson from Fred
Jacobwitz. The reason he is not slammed for his opinions, is NOT because he is a
professional, but because his opinions ARE stated in a user-friendly fashion.
Whether you are a "nobody" or a somebody is in your own head. Are you so deaf,
and blind as to not realize that you create your own problems. You are far from
humble, you are arrogant. Intelligence has never been an issue. You do not
provide ideas, you only criticize and attack. AND most importantly, you show NO
RESPECT to those who are older and more experienced. You could use a lesson from
som of the younger students on the list, such as Craig Countryman, and Kenneth
Chin. Although both of these list members are in high school, both show a
maturity and intelligence that exceed their years. I have had strong
disagreements with Ken in previous posts, but none of our disagreements have ever
deteriorated to the level of hostility and anger that you continually show.

Consider this: Perhaps it would be in your best interests to either change your
overall approach as to your approach to this list, or just get off! Your
disrepect Roger Garrett, a university professor, you disrespect me as a
professional and graduate student, you disrespect this list, but most
importantly, you disrespect yourself.

David S. Naden, Graduate Student
Cal State University Los Angeles

GTGallant wrote:

> Roger Garrett wrote:
>
> >"My experience with people who have to tell others how open minded they are
> >is that they are not open minded at all! Talk is cheap.......actions
> >speak. Your actions have spoken much louder than your last sentence."
>
> Mr. Garrett, for a man who responds to every topic, you sure have nerve
> telling someone their opinions are insignifigant. I am more humble than most
> listers and consider myself intelligent and an excellent learner. One of my
> greatest assets is that I know my weaknesses and try to improve them (i.e. -
> not making people angry!). I refuse to tell everybody on the list what I do,
> who I am, or even how old I am because it will give people like yourself more
> ammo and justification to attack my ideas. I never make assumptions about
> individuals on any postings regarding one's ability, experience, age, or know
> how unless I am personally familiar with them. The fact that I do not agree
> with you and your followers does not make me wrong or stupid.
>
> >Forgive me if I don't jump for joy regarding your independent nature.
> >Your attitude is far too common......it doesn't make you special to be
> >resistant to information, instruction, and advice. It makes you
> >resistant....that's all. That you are proud of it is disconcerting.
>
> I never said I was special. I resist learning only non-factual information
> like Karl Leister is a great player. The reason you pick on my posts is
> because you think I'm a nobody. Fred Jacobowitz dislikes Leister's playing
> also. Granted, he does it in a user friendly fashion. You dare not slam him
> because he's a professional. Does his opinion mean more? I respect people
> who show me respect, no matter what age. Period.
>
> >I think some people are overweight, but I don't print it on a listserv. I
> >think some people are lazy....but I don't print it for all to see. This
> >is what you have done and continue to to do.
>
> You are very pious. But you print a slam directed at ME on the list. It is
> much more personal than calling a stranger "fat". I'd rather you call me
> names!
>
> Now let's put this behind us and start talking about the clarinet!