Klarinet Archive - Posting 000104.txt from 1998/01

From: "Baldy" <comic@-----.com>
Subj: Re: Re:women not allowed
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:35:27 -0500

Fernando,

In this case it was an open letter to Starr. I was explaining that she was
imposing "American Values" on people who have other ways of thinking.

In the examples I gave there was no good guy and no bad guy. The hatred
that exists in many places of the world for people who are different is no
different from that which did, and still does exist in this country.

Sorry if you took offense - nothing was directed at you.

Bob

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From: fersilv@-----.net
Subject: Re: Re:women not allowed
Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 6:19 PM

Dear Bob, I respect your point of view, but, I don4t think that are
" American Values " you have character.
On all diferent countries you have good guys and bad guys. Is
obvious that are in US people that don4t like BLACKS and another ones that
think women4s work are less then men4s work. On the entire world it
happens!!!!
When you said " You are trying to impose "American Values" on
people who do not have them. ", YOU are discriminating all other people
that
don4t are American!!
I am not american, I am BRAZILIAN, and I am proud of it, because I
am on the group that respect another people; brazilian or not, black or
white.

Best

Fernando Silveira
Principal Clarinet - National Symphony - Brazil

At 17:14 03/01/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Starr
>
>Why are you trying to pick a fight?
>
>It is not an issue that this group can resolve. You want to limit the
>discussion by excluding groups with men or women in the title, when all
>should be included (and in fact are under the law).
>
>You are trying to impose "American Values" on people who do not have them.
>Discrimination is a fact in most places in the world. Most of the wars and
>hot spots around the globe are the result of discrimination. In Africa the
>Tutsi's killed one-half billion (yes, with a "b") in the name of
>discrimination.
>
>The break up of Yugoslavia provides potent examples of native
>discrimination and actual hatred for someone different, Slavs versus
>Croats, etc.
>
>We Americans are very much the anomaly - and that is only because we have
>been legislated to be so.
>
>My wife is European and I have found it very common for them to regard
>others in ways we would find appalling. It is not surprising that they
also
>have the beliefs regarding women in certain jobs that was common here at
>one time.
>
>All in all, I don't think it is worth the fight on the list.
>
>Bob Baldwin
>
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>> From: maybe Starr,maybe John <starrs@-----.net>
>> To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.us>
>> Subject: Re:women not allowed
>> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 2:04 PM
>>
>> I am amazed at the unwillingness of anyone on this list to come up to
>> the plate and respond to the following specific question:
>>
>> If you would be repulsed by, and hopefully boycott a world class
>> orchestra( that does not have 'men' or 'women' in the title), that was
>> found to have "not so hidden" discriminatory practices againt
>> african-americans, why then, would you be more understanding of an
>> orchestra that held these policies in regard to women?
>>
>> I think the 'silence' on the list, in respect to answering THIS
>> question, rather than going off onto some safer tangent, is because most
>> people's gut feeling is that, for some illogical reason, they aren't as
>> repulsed by disrimination against women as they are by discrimination
>> against african-americans and other racial minorities.
>>
>> Awaiting all responses,
>>
>> Starr
>>
>
>

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