Klarinet Archive - Posting 000093.txt from 1998/01

From: fersilv@-----.net
Subj: Re: Re:women not allowed
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:20:12 -0500

Dear Bob, I respect your point of view, but, I don=B4t think that=
are
" American Values " you have character.=20
On all diferent countries you have good guys and bad guys. Is
obvious that are in US people that don=B4t like BLACKS and another ones that
think women@-----. On the entire world it=
happens!!!!
When you said " You are trying to impose "American Values" on
people who do not have them. ", YOU are discriminating all other people that
don=B4t are American!!
I am not american, I am BRAZILIAN, and I am proud of it, because I
am on the group that respect another people; brazilian or not, black or=
white.

Best

Fernando Silveira
Principal Clarinet - National Symphony - Brazil

At 17:14 03/01/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Starr
>
>Why are you trying to pick a fight?
>
>It is not an issue that this group can resolve. You want to limit the
>discussion by excluding groups with men or women in the title, when all
>should be included (and in fact are under the law).
>
>You are trying to impose "American Values" on people who do not have them.
>Discrimination is a fact in most places in the world. Most of the wars and
>hot spots around the globe are the result of discrimination. In Africa the
>Tutsi's killed one-half billion (yes, with a "b") in the name of
>discrimination.
>
>The break up of Yugoslavia provides potent examples of native
>discrimination and actual hatred for someone different, Slavs versus
>Croats, etc.
>
>We Americans are very much the anomaly - and that is only because we have
>been legislated to be so.
>
>My wife is European and I have found it very common for them to regard
>others in ways we would find appalling. It is not surprising that they also
>have the beliefs regarding women in certain jobs that was common here at
>one time.
>
>All in all, I don't think it is worth the fight on the list.
>
>Bob Baldwin
>
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>> From: maybe Starr,maybe John <starrs@-----.net>
>> To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.us>
>> Subject: Re:women not allowed
>> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 2:04 PM
>>=20
>> I am amazed at the unwillingness of anyone on this list to come up to
>> the plate and respond to the following specific question:
>>=20
>> If you would be repulsed by, and hopefully boycott a world class
>> orchestra( that does not have 'men' or 'women' in the title), that was
>> found to have "not so hidden" discriminatory practices againt
>> african-americans, why then, would you be more understanding of an
>> orchestra that held these policies in regard to women?
>>=20
>> I think the 'silence' on the list, in respect to answering THIS
>> question, rather than going off onto some safer tangent, is because most
>> people's gut feeling is that, for some illogical reason, they aren't as
>> repulsed by disrimination against women as they are by discrimination
>> against african-americans and other racial minorities.
>>=20
>> Awaiting all responses,
>>=20
>> Starr
>>=20
>
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