Klarinet Archive - Posting 000088.txt from 1998/01

From: "Baldy" <comic@-----.com>
Subj: Re: Re:women not allowed
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:14:22 -0500

Starr

Why are you trying to pick a fight?

It is not an issue that this group can resolve. You want to limit the
discussion by excluding groups with men or women in the title, when all
should be included (and in fact are under the law).

You are trying to impose "American Values" on people who do not have them.
Discrimination is a fact in most places in the world. Most of the wars and
hot spots around the globe are the result of discrimination. In Africa the
Tutsi's killed one-half billion (yes, with a "b") in the name of
discrimination.

The break up of Yugoslavia provides potent examples of native
discrimination and actual hatred for someone different, Slavs versus
Croats, etc.

We Americans are very much the anomaly - and that is only because we have
been legislated to be so.

My wife is European and I have found it very common for them to regard
others in ways we would find appalling. It is not surprising that they also
have the beliefs regarding women in certain jobs that was common here at
one time.

All in all, I don't think it is worth the fight on the list.

Bob Baldwin

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> From: maybe Starr,maybe John <starrs@-----.net>
> To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.us>
> Subject: Re:women not allowed
> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 2:04 PM
>
> I am amazed at the unwillingness of anyone on this list to come up to
> the plate and respond to the following specific question:
>
> If you would be repulsed by, and hopefully boycott a world class
> orchestra( that does not have 'men' or 'women' in the title), that was
> found to have "not so hidden" discriminatory practices againt
> african-americans, why then, would you be more understanding of an
> orchestra that held these policies in regard to women?
>
> I think the 'silence' on the list, in respect to answering THIS
> question, rather than going off onto some safer tangent, is because most
> people's gut feeling is that, for some illogical reason, they aren't as
> repulsed by disrimination against women as they are by discrimination
> against african-americans and other racial minorities.
>
> Awaiting all responses,
>
> Starr
>