Klarinet Archive - Posting 000052.txt from 1997/01

From: "Bryant, Mike J" <bry1pds@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: John R. Wilcox
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 04:04:33 -0500

Hello, John

I seem to have mislaid your email address

Here is the address you need:
U Mrazovsky 16/1950
150 00 Prague 5

For spelling, the name is at the back of the catalogue
There is an acute accent on the A of Mrazovsky

Sorry folks, for clogging up your noticeboard

All the best
Mike Bryant

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 07:49:05 1997
with BSMTP id 9303; Fri, 03 Jan 97 07:49:57 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 07:47:28 -0500
From: Alex Bellamy <100624.441@-----.COM>
Subject: Re: French Composers
Clarinet Network <KLARINET%VCCSCENT.BITNET@-----.net>

>Paul, Jean Marie. "Clarinet and Piano in France: Eighty Years of
> Music--1860-1940." The Clarinet Part I: 8/3; Part II: 8/4

Thanks for the info. I take it that this is a book?? If not, any ideas on
where I can hold of it?

Any ideas on the ISBN number?

Many thanks

Alex Bellamy
bellamy@-----.com

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 08:12:01 1997
with BSMTP id 9436; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:13:20 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:06:08 EST
From: dziskind@-----.org
Organization: Amer. Fed. of Musicians
Subject: Re: Music notation progra

IP> Gary van Cott asks about music notation programs.

IP> There is Mozart, which is shareware for Windows; good, but limited in
IP> features.
---SNIP---
IP> Hope this helps. When I reread it , it sounds very authoritative,
IP> more so than it is. I'm just an amateur and student who looked at some
IP> of this stuff myself before buying.
IP> Martin

How about MusicTime? I have used it before, and it is a very good program,
has a lot of features, and if I recall correctly, costs only about $60-80
dollars. I don't know if it supports midi, though. Let me know if you'd
like a phone number/email address.

-----DaViD Ziskind-----
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From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 08:41:58 1997
with BSMTP id 9606; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:43:03 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:40:34 -0500
From: Dick Walters <waltersd@-----.NET>
Subject: Re: Notation Programs

I agree. Been using Encore for years and it's a great, flexible program.
Should be a way in setup to turn off the midi stuff to eliminate the error
messages. You can actually get pretty fast without a kbd by using the
numeric keypad quickkeys and click on the stave lines.

Dick Walters

At 04:33 PM 1/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>hi Gary...............I would'nt be so quick to give up on Encore...I 've
>used the program for some time and find it to be quite good.....maybe the
>demo version is not quite as good as the full version. My only complaint is
>that it's a little slow if you're not using a midi keyboard(actually, i t's
>quite slow without a keyboard but I don't know if any mouse entry program
>would be any better). Try to get a full copy and give it a try.............
>
>gk
>>
>>
>Gene Keyes
>gene@-----.net
>
Dick

Dick Walters
waltersd@-----.net

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 09:23:53 1997
with BSMTP id 9935; Fri, 03 Jan 97 09:25:01 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:11:16 -0800
From: Russ Thornton <radarguy@-----.NET>
Subject: antique clarinet

Hello, and happy belated new year! I don't know if anyone can help me; I
don't even know if my messages get posted--no one ever answered my last
two questions...but anyway, I have a question regarding a Christmas
present I received. My parents bought and had refinished for me a
clarinet they had found at some place that deals in antique guitars. It
is silver-plated, and I believe the keys may be solid silver. The keys
and fingerings are all the same as a regular wooden Boehm model, but the
actual body of the clarinet is very narrow in diameter. It plays in the
key of Bb and the tone is basically the same as that of an older wooden
clarinet. It is made all in one piece except for a small piece that is
placed at the very top in order to fit the mouthpiece. On the bell of
the clarinet is printed "The Elkhart" in a heart-shaped design, and
underneath is printed: Elkhart, Indiana. No other brand identification
is given. I think this clarinet dates back somewhere in the 1920's or
30's, but I would like to have a more accurate date. The serial number
is 26---. If anyone has any idea of when this instrument was
manufactured, I'd appreciate it if you would reply to the list. Thanks a
lot and happy Klarinetting!
Lyndsey Thornton

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 09:41:19 1997
with BSMTP id 0125; Fri, 03 Jan 97 09:42:26 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:40:56 -0600
From: Michael Thrasher <mt0003@-----.EDU>
Subject: Re: French Composers

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Alex Bellamy wrote:

> >Paul, Jean Marie. "Clarinet and Piano in France: Eighty Years of
> > Music--1860-1940." The Clarinet Part I: 8/3; Part II: 8/4
>
> Thanks for the info. I take it that this is a book?? If not, any ideas on
> where I can hold of it?

Actually, this is an article (in two parts) in The Clarinet magazine.
Part I is in Volume 8, Number 3 (Spring, 1981); Part II is in Volume 8,
Number 4 (Summer, 1981). Most large university libraries will have back
issues of the magazine. Otherwise, you can order them directly from the
editor, James Gillespie. A back issue information sheet with complete
ordering information recently came out with the November/December 1996
issue of the magazine.

Michael Thrasher

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 10:04:43 1997
with BSMTP id 0341; Fri, 03 Jan 97 10:05:53 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:16:29 -0600
From: "Daniel A. Paprocki" <dap@-----.us>
Subject: Re: stand for basset horn?

Carl,
I use the Konig & Meyer stand for my bass with one modification.
I've put the plastic end piece from a mailing tube (used for shipping
prints) in the bottom cup of the stand. This prevents the bass peg from
sliding out of the bottom cup since it's designed for the bassoon bottom.
The end piece fits perfectly and works great.

Dan

******************************************************************************

Daniel A. Paprocki
Instructor of Clarinet
Malone College
dap@-----.us

******************************************************************************

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 10:52:23 1997
with BSMTP id 0788; Fri, 03 Jan 97 10:53:16 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:51:17 -0500
From: "Eliabeth R. Goeke" <goeke@-----.EDU>
Subject: Re: Music notation programs

Guys,
Over the past six years I've used a number of music programs
including Finale and Encore. What we ended up doing when we were looking
for a program is getting demos for about six different programs and then
played with them. Now, Finale is what we use at school and I personally
hate the program, so that was out. Encore didn't really impress me.
What we ended up with is a program called Musicator, which has fairly
clear cut instructions, will do just about everything we want it to
(except Percussion, but no one does that well), and prints both parts and
scores easily. I'm a music major with an emphasis on composition, so I
have had to use it for fairly complex projects and had no real problem.
elizabethy

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 11:24:38 1997
with BSMTP id 1213; Fri, 03 Jan 97 11:25:45 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:19:57 -0500
From: "Scott D. Morrow" <SDM@-----.EDU>
Subject: Re: What Happened?

>Are you guys still there, or are you just not sending messages due to the
>holidays? I belonged to 5 e-mail
>lists (klarinet, doublereed, finale, music-ed, and repair), and I had no
>problems. I recently added the
>flute list, and thats when the problem started. I get lots of flute
>messages, but all my other
>lists have been recieving few messages (the music-ed and repair lists seem
>non-existant!). Do you think
>resubscribing to the list might help? Thanks for the help.
>
>-Christopher J. Thibeault

Christopher,
That sounds about right - add flutes and they'll take over!
Remember: flutes are what take up the slack when there aren't any violins
around to keep them in check! And then, just when you think it can't get
any worse, they pull out the piccolos!
All right, everyone, it's time to fight back! Take out those
eefers! (but don't inhale!)

-Scott

Scott D. Morrow
Department of Biochemistry
School of Hygiene and Public Health
Johns Hopkins University
(410)-955-3631

SDM@-----.edu

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 11:36:07 1997
with BSMTP id 1492; Fri, 03 Jan 97 11:37:16 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:34:11 -0500
From: "Scott D. Morrow" <SDM@-----.EDU>
Subject: Re: Notation Programs

I've been using Concertware for the Mac. It's got some limitations, but
works fairly well as a "music processor" (I don't have MIDI, so I can't say
anything about that part of it.) Concertware handles most notation pretty
well (I especially like it because you can tie lyrics to specific notes, so
they stay together!). Grace notes are added by dropping them in the same
as you would a dynamic marking. It handles slurs pretty well, though ties
sometimes just collapse into the full note value. It also does
transpositions and WILL do 12/8, etc. One drawback I've noticed (and I
don't know how often it would affect you!) is that you can't put in "odd"
grouping (i.e., 5 sixteenth notes in one beat) or divide a quarter note
triplet into two eighth notes. For a while, I wasn't happy with the
printing - it only prints in one size, which is slightly too big for my
taste - but I found my way around that by defining the page size such that
I can reduce it during printing to the proper size. When I bought the
software about six years ago, it cost about $90. I don't know if there
have been any upgrades since then.

-Scott

Scott D. Morrow
Department of Biochemistry
School of Hygiene and Public Health
Johns Hopkins University
(410)-955-3631

SDM@-----.edu

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 12:28:21 1997
with BSMTP id 1830; Fri, 03 Jan 97 12:28:52 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:24:07 -0800
From: OLIVER@-----.EDU
Subject: Re: MUSIC WRITING SOFTWARE

I've been using Finale for about 2 years. I just took
advantage of the discount offer for Finale for $275
from J.W. Pepper (The Software Source was offering it
for $249 but they would have had to back-order it for
me). So I now have the Version 3.7 and I no longer
have to feel guilty about being a user of a pirated copy,
plus I get 4 big reference books which is a real relief
because there are a number of things that one really needs
several paragraphs of description so as to be able to get
the hang of the subject. One bad point about Version 3.7.
Files written with 3.7 are not back compatible to 3.0, so
I'm going to continue to use 3.0 to put .MUS files on my
Web page for maybe a year, then I'll switch over. But having
the references and being a legal user is great.

Please note: the good price on Finale is only for students,
teachers and theologians.

I also have Encore mounted on my PC but I practically never
use it because the learning curves with these music software
programs are considerable and I simply don't have the time
to sink into 2 notation programs. Anyway, about Finale,
there are a number of things I LOVE about the program and
I can't tell you if the same things are available on others.
Here are some of them: (1) Transposition to a new key
with a single keystroke for a group of measures or a whole
piece, (2) transposition within a given key signature of
the notes of a piece for a group of signature or the whole
work, (3) score formatting and print-out with % size adjustment.
(4) Quick clef changes for a whole piece or a group of measures
with subsequent changes of note positions.
I normally print out scores at 50% normal size which saves
loads of paper and individual parts at 80% or 70% normal size.
The printed output on my HP ink jet 550C printer is EXQUISITE.

Regarding note input, Finale has at least 3 modes: from
a MIDI device (keyboard or wind controller), simple note
input (using one's mouse) and Speedy note input, using the
numeric pad. One can also use a program like MIDISCAN to
produce .TIF files which are interpreted by MIDISCAN into
a .MND format (proprietary, I presume) and then create a
MIDI file which can be imported into Finale. After cleanup,
which is always necessary, Finale then can produce the final
notation .MUS file and the final .MID file.

When I first started using Finale and discovered that one
could input notes with a MIDI device I figured that that
was the way to go, but after I discovered all the glitches
that can occur with importing MIDI files from scanned scores
it got me to thinking about the whole process. Then a
musician friend mentioned that with a MIDI keyboard one
has to input music with great precision. An eighth note
followed by an eighth rest often comes out as a quarter note
and any slight delay of any note might result in a sixteenth
rest followed by the note. Now be forwarned that I DON'T
use a MIDI device for input, but since I'm not a keyboardist,
Speedy entry is the way I've chosen to go and crazily enough
I've decided that a score which I scan must be of excellent
quality for the process to be faster in the direction of
getting the final .MUS file file than if I put everything
in via Speedy note entry to begin with.

I would qualify the foregoing however with the remark that
complicated piano scores are another matter. One is forced
to work with different "levels" on the same staff so as to
get all of the varying notes and rests in and that slows
me down considerably while using Speedy note entry.
When I did the Danzi Sinfonia Concertante recently (see my
Web page for the .MUS and .MID files), the copy of the
piano part which I scanned was of excellent quality and
the small amount of clean-up which was necessary was
less laborious than if I had put everything in with
Speedy note entry.

That's all for now. I have to do some chemistry today.

My music Web page address for you newcomers is
http://chemistry.csudh.edu/oliver/clarmusi.htm

Oliver

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 12:48:43 1997
with BSMTP id 2373; Fri, 03 Jan 97 12:49:50 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:48:10 -0500
From: Fred Jacobowitz <fredj@-----.edu>
Subject: Re: Bass Clarinet

Sylvia,
I am the happy owner of a Leblanc model 400 to Low C. Leblancs
generally play incredibly rich in the low range. However, their high range
tends not to have the body that Selmers and Buffets have (but who buys a
Bass Clarinet for its high range anyway?). Their Keywork is
just fabulous and my Bass has a wonderfully useful alternate g#/Eb
fingering which I think is missing on the others. I DID have two notes
which were somewhat low but I actually had a tone hole widened by a few
thousanths and that did the trick. Leblancs are plenty loud enough to play
in orchestras and the response is excellent - just as a professional horn
should be.
I am using a new selmer mouthpiece - the 85/115. I like it
immensely and I strongly recommend it. Eddie Palanker in the Baltimore
Symphony uses it, as do two professionals I showed mine to (they went out
and got their own).
I should add that I don't know what kind of improvements they have
made since their new model came out. If they improved the sound of the
high registers the instrument will be a killer.

Fred Jacobowitz
Clarinet/Sax Instructor, Peabody Preparatory

On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Sylvia V. Thompson wrote:

> Does any9one have any information about LeBlanc bass clarinets? I may have
> a chance to pruchase one. Also, I need some help with bass clarinet
> mouthpieces. Any suggestions? I currently hown a Selmer USA student model
> bass clarinet. Thanks
>

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 13:37:06 1997
with BSMTP id 3165; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:38:13 EST
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:38:46 +1300
From: Michael Delceg <mdelceg@-----.NZ>
Subject: Re: Bass clarinetist's repertoire

>1). What musical selections are a MUST for a young-budding bass player?
>2). What type of range is expected of a bass player at this stage? The
> other bass clarinets in my region can barely attain the "C" above the
> staff, whereas I can clearly reach an octave above that note.
>3). What opportunities lay ahead for someone who wants to play the bass
> professionally? Does that future encompass many hours doubling as a
> soprano clarinet, sax, etc.?
>4). Are there any other jazz bass clarinetists on this list?
>
> I'd be thankful for any responses.
>
>
> Edmund White
> ewhite@-----.us
1. Can't help you with that question, but there are books:
Symphonic Repertoire for Bass Clarinet, Dropkin, M., Roncorp
New Techniques for the Bass Clarinet, Henri Bok, Salabart, 1989, E. Wendel,Paris
(I don't have either of these, so can't comment on them.
2. I find the altissimo easy on the bass clarinet as well, but don't really
know all the notes. Certainly they'll be helpful if you play jazz. I'd be
interested in your fingerings.
3. I find that I've been mostly called on to play soprano clarinet, tenor
sax and particularly baritone sax (really my principal instrument, and the
basic double in a jazz big band). Flute is also a good double to have for
jazz and show work.
4. I haven't improvised publicly on the bass clarinet (as I have on
saxophones and flute) because I don't think my chops are adequate yet, but
it is in the pipeline behind getting better on the flute. I too am a great
Dolphy fan, and am waiting for a copy of David Murray's Ballads for Bass
Clarinet CD, in case you haven't heard of him. I know that there are a few
other jazz players on this list from their comments. One thread I thought
would be interesting would be a list of tunes that are particularly
appropriate for bass clarinet like Epistrophy.
What setup are you using? Is it the same for classical or jazz?
Hope this encourages you to keep on keepin' on.
Mike

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 14:07:11 1997
with BSMTP id 3526; Fri, 03 Jan 97 14:08:19 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:04:07 -0500
From: "Scott D. Morrow" <SDM@-----.EDU>
Subject: Re: Signing on / Finale

>Hello,
>
>I am a clarinettist who has been on this list for a month or two. I am
>now visiting my father out of state. He is also a clarinettist and would
>like to sign on to the list. I can get my own e-mail here at his house,
>thus I have access to the Klarinet messages myself, but I don't remember
>how I signed on to the list originally, so I can't sign him on. Can
>anyone help me?
>
>Also I would like to show him how Finale works. I use it all the time at
>home and he has asked to see it. Did I see that you can download a trial
>copy off of the net? How do you do this? (If you respond to this
>question, please be specific, as both he and I are brand new on "the net"
>and might get lost out there.)
>
>Thanx in advance,
>
>
>Nathaniel Johnson
>Conductor / Clarinettist
>All-Around Good Guy
>University of Northern Colorado

>From the recent FAQ file (Jim Fay):

" 3. How do I sign up for Klarinet?

Send an e-mail message to: listserv@-----.bitnet In the body of the
message, put: subscribe klarinet Your_Name (for example, I'd put
subscribe klarinet Jim Fay). Make sure this part of the message is in
the top left corner of the message area. Its usually helpful to turn
your signature file off when sending information like this.

If your Internet Service Provider doesn't have a Bitnet Gateway defined,
you will have to send the subscription request to:
listserv%vccscent.bitnet@-----.edu

Do try the first way first, to reduce congestion."

-Scott

Scott D. Morrow
Department of Biochemistry
School of Hygiene and Public Health
Johns Hopkins University
(410)-955-3631

SDM@-----.edu

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 14:25:45 1997
with BSMTP id 3811; Fri, 03 Jan 97 14:26:06 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:08:52 +0000
From: Michael Dennison <wmd@-----.UK>
Subject: John R. Wilcox

Hi John

I tried to acknowledge receipt of your email (Brahms Sonata) but for some
reason my mail server wouldn't accept your email address and is also
returning mail I send to my old Klarinet list address. So you may not see
this.

However, the music is in the post to you.

Michael Dennison
(Comus Edition)

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 16:49:48 1997
with BSMTP id 0731; Fri, 03 Jan 97 16:51:04 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:38:14 -0600
From: "Daniel A. Paprocki" <dap@-----.us>
Subject: Re: stand for basset horn?

Carl,
I use the Konig & Meyer stand for my bass with one modification.
I've put the plastic end piece from a mailing tube (used for shipping
prints) in the bottom cup of the stand. This prevents the bass peg from
sliding out of the bottom cup since it's designed for the bassoon bottom.
The end piece fits perfectly and works great.

Dan

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 18:19:36 1997
with BSMTP id 2498; Fri, 03 Jan 97 18:20:39 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:18:45 -0500
From: Meg Gasque <Havendance@-----.com>
Subject: Re: Music notation progra

We have MusicTime at school, and it's the first program I ever used. I'm not
sure what you mean by "supporting" MIDI, but you can import and export MIDI
files. It is pretty nice, depending on what you want it for. I have
Noteworthy at home, and it is probably slower to put in score form, but when
you do get it in score you can choose which staves you would like to print
out, without rewriting it all. When I arrange on MusicTime, writing for each
individual part takes longer. I hope this at least made a little bit of
sense.
:),
Meg
havendance@-----.com
http://members.aol.com/Squeak24/index.html (<~~I changed it...)

From <@-----.BITNET> Fri Jan 3 18:38:36 1997
with BSMTP id 2610; Fri, 03 Jan 97 18:39:52 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:38:06 -0700
From: Gary Van Cott <Gary_VanCott@-----.COM>
Subject: Re: Music Notation Programs

Gary VanCott = NHIN
01/03/97 03:38 PM

Thanks to all for the useful information about music notation
programs. I found a web site of a retailer that sells many of the
commercial programs. It is http://www.mccormicksnet.com/.

This site includes links to many of the software publishers' home pages.
However, this site is very slow (and we have a 56KB line that isn't very
busy).

Gary
Las Vegas, NV

Gary_VanCott@-----.com