Doublereed Archive - Posting 000033.txt from 2008/11

From: David Bell <bssn2@-----.net>
Subj: [DR-L] Re: Old Heckel
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:01:24 -0500

Herb,

I felt guilty about highjacking the "cold oboe" thread, so I've
started a new one.

The "D" in the 201D comes from "Deutsche", as the 201D I have is a
version Fox sells to the European market. My horn was manufactured in
1995, shipped to Europe, did not sell, and was sent back to Fox. The
instrument had a rotary style right hand whisper key lock and was sent
to Barry Trent in 2000. I purchased the horn from Barry in 2000. The
options on a 201 that make it a 201D are:
Left hand Eb trill
Roller for litle finger F#
Rollers for right thumb Bb and F# with the plate on the pancake key
(like Renard 220 & 240)
Left hand whisper key lock
High A bridge with roller
Low C extension
Balance hanger
Body lock

Yes, I am selling the Fox and keeping the Heckel. I currently have a
modern Heckel bocal that works well with my 4K Heckel, but I'm looking
for a pre-War bocal that would be a better fit...

David

On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, herb fawcett wrote:

> I have had three of the 201 and two of the 601. Uniformly hated the
> 601,
> liked the 201s and loved the last one, but the Heckel was always
> there.
> Backup is now a Renard 240 which is pretty good, but plays like an
> unadjusted Heckel. What is the "D" after 201? Will you keep the
> antique
> Heckel and sell the Fox?
> Herb
>
>
> On 11/8/08 11:19 AM, "David Bell" <bssn2@-----.net> wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> My Heckel is certainly not leaky since restoration. I love the sound,
>> although I must admit adjusting to the "flexible" intonation is
>> taking
>> some work-- reminds me of my first bassoon, a 5K Puechner I bought
>> new
>> in 1963... I have been playing a very fine Fox 201D, which I shall be
>> selling as I can really only play one bassoon, and I hate the thought
>> of it sitting in a closet!
>>
>> David Bell
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:48 PM, herb fawcett wrote:
>>
>>> A Heckel that old. I've not played one older than early 5K and it
>>> was a bit
>>> leaky, with "flexible intonation" but had a lovely sound. My 9K is
>>> more
>>> assertive, of course, but it was pretty.
>>> Herb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/8/08 7:00 AM, "David Bell" <bssn2@-----.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Miriam,
>>>>
>>>> I think everyone is correct about letting your cold oboe reach room
>>>> temperature before playing-- if possible. My wife is a professional
>>>> piper, and she uses plastic bagpipes in colder weather. As a
>>>> bassoonist, the temperature issue is not as acute. We live in a
>>>> humid
>>>> environment (Mid-Atlantic), so our dehumidifier works almost year-
>>>> round, although we do not let it get below 40%, so my bassoon's
>>>> tenons
>>>> don't shrink too much.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, Herb, my Heckel is much older than all of us-- it was made in
>>>> 1909 (restored early this year)...
>>>>
>>>> David bell
>>>> Alexandria, VA
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:40 PM, herb fawcett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just got a ticket in the Porsche on I-5 near Lemoore. The CHP says
>>>>> 106, but
>>>>> I think not. I'll drive down to contest it. Anything over 100mph
>>>>> gets pretty
>>>>> pricey and worth the time to appear.
>>>>> Not all of California smells like Lemoore or Hanford. Some is more
>>>>> like
>>>>> strawberries, almonds and apricots, or the sea in Carmel.
>>>>> If you are as agreeable and lovely as my old Heckel we could play
>>>>> well
>>>>> together. My Fox is like an angry teenager - very bright,
>>>>> inexperienced,
>>>>> inflexible, and often wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/08 7:55 PM, "Miriam Williams" <mwquacker@-----.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Herb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Move to (sub-zero, yikes!) California ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahh, thanks, but I'll stick it out here. It was a pretty mild
>>>>>> winter last
>>>>>> yr, so maybe we'll luck out again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my sons just moved back here from being in Lemoore CA
>>>>>> for 3
>>>>>> yrs. He
>>>>>> hated the dry heat and temps in the 100's in the summer. And
>>>>>> nearby
>>>>>> cattle
>>>>>> ranch smell. Of course, Yosemite is pretty nice... visited
>>>>>> there a
>>>>>> few yrs
>>>>>> ago. Can't say I like the mtn. roads, but the year-round fruit I
>>>>>> could get
>>>>>> used to I suppose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to oboe stuff; yes, I keep a dampit in my oboe case & EH
>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> I really
>>>>>> wonder how much moisture gets into the wood since there's a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> material in the case to absorb moisture. I have the humidity
>>>>>> monitor which
>>>>>> comes with the Dampit hanging above my desk, so I don't use
>>>>>> humidifying in
>>>>>> the case in the summer, just in the fall/winter until it gets
>>>>>> humid
>>>>>> again
>>>>>> (according to the monitor).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man -- your Heckel is older than I am!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best and thanks for the reply (it's been slow on the list lately,
>>>>>> hmmm?)
>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "herb fawcett" <herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:47 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] how cold is too cold for my oboe? (in the
>>>>>> house, that
>>>>>> is)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miriam,
>>>>>>> I live in the very temperate Bay Area of northern California. My
>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>> indicates that temperature has much less effect on my Fox
>>>>>>> bassoon
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> humidity. The joints can go from very tight (I mean VERY
>>>>>>> tight) to
>>>>>>> fall-apart loose in a day or two with humidity changes. I don't
>>>>>>> have AC
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I use almost no heat (ancient thermostat at <60 all winter). My
>>>>>>> Heckel,
>>>>>>> being from 1951, is old like me and is resistant to change, so
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>> These are all cotton string-wrapped joints, and on the Fox it is
>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have the boot fall off when I pick it up.I would fear the
>>>>>>> dimensional
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> from humidity more than temperature when thinking about cracks
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> oboe.
>>>>>>> Dampit, maybe??? Move to (sub-zero, yikes!) California ???
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/7/08 5:25 PM, "Miriam Williams" <mwquacker@-----.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will need to drop the temperature in the house at night this
>>>>>>>> winter
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> more than last year to save on heating costs. (I live in WI, so
>>>>>>>> it could
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> really cold, even sub-zero.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is: how low can I have the indoor temperature and
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>> harm
>>>>>>>> to my oboe and EH?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to lower the thermostat to 55 F. It's on a
>>>>>>>> programmable
>>>>>>>> timer,
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> it will be warm when the studio opens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am careful to warm the joints before playing, of course.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is lack of humidity more of a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just wondering,
>>>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>>>
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