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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000093.txt from 2007/06

From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] Re: 21 yr old Elizabeth Koch, Curtis dropout=ASO
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:24:36 -0400

Just a view from the side, but the lovely Heckel bassoons I have played fro=
m
several of the iconic "eras", require a bit of attention to perfect the
scale. The quality of sound is beautiful alone and is cooperative with othe=
r
instruments, and they allow one to play them in tune. Some of the modern
(improved?) bassoons by German and American makers produce a scale that is
often better in tune alone, but rigidly resistant to persuasion to adapt
with other players; and I have not found them to have a comparably lovely
sound. Chip Owen (with Fox) has said that he feels the instrument is best i=
n
tune when it allows the player to play well in tune, not constrain him to
the rigid pitch it produces. Is "projection" similar to "penetration"?
Herb =20

On 6/16/07 10:18 AM, "Ed B. Flowers" <flowerse@-----.net> wrote:

> Barbara,
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> A fascinating conjecture.
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> I though all of us Loree players were supposed to be instinctively
> lipping the notes in tune. Lipping notes in tune is also necessary on
> dark-toned Buffet clarininets. Apparently out-of-tune scales are the
> price that you pay for better tone. The in-tune oboes and clarinets that
> I've played didn't have nearly as nice a tone.
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> Edward B. Flowers
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> Barbara Trautwein wrote:
>> Bryan Cavitt wrote:
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>>> I think these, and the other questions that have been put forth on
>>> this subject would be best
>>> answered by the man who would know best - Jonathan Dlouhy.
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>>> Are you still hanging out there in listserve land??
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>>> Bryan Cavitt
>>> Bassoonist, Elkhart (IN) Municipal Band; Bassoon Dad
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>>>> From: "mortwein@-----.com>
>>>> Reply-To: doublereed@-----.org
>>>> To: doublereed@-----.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: 21 yr old Elizabeth Koch, Curtis dropout=3DASO
>>>> Principal Oboe
>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:41:43 GMT
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>>>> Why would they offer her the job if they didn't like something about
>>>> her sound? What if the different oboe doesn't solve the sound issue?
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>>>> Mark
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>>>> -- Philip McKenzie <philclimb1@-----.com> wrote:
>>>> who would have made that call for the change of oboe? principal
>>>> clarinet? conductor? surely there john mack students in the
>>>> profession playing yamaha oboes. seemed like a gratuitous addition to
>>>> the article, just as the mention of cost and working life of a new
>>>> oboe.
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>>>> Philip McKenzie
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Michael Benthin <benthin@-----.net>
>>>> To: doublereed@-----.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:00:32 AM
>>>> Subject: [DR-L] Re: 21 yr old Elizabeth Koch, Curtis dropout=3DASO
>>>> Principal Oboe
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>>>> Regarding Elizabeth's Koch quitting Curtis to become principle oboe of
>>>> the Atlanta Symph (see article:)
>>>> http://www.accessatlanta.com/arts/content/arts/stories/2007/06/12/0613=
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>>>> oe.html=20
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>>>> So this student of R. Woodhams is turning in her Yamaha oboe for the
>>>> Loree- the article bit about the Cleveland Sound vs the Philadelphia
>>>> sound (and the Tabuteau family tree of players) should spark some
>>>> comment here- the article implies that the oboe change was done to
>>>> conform to the sound of the instrument used by the former principle (J
>>>> Douhly). I find this ironic as the "Philadelphia sound through Tabutea=
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>>>> orginally was based on Loree instruments and now Woodhams plays a
>>>> Yamaha- (-8
>>>> quoth john.worrall@-----.ca
>>>>> Reading the article, I liked the part about
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>>>>> predecessor Dlouhy played. A top of the line model costs almost
>>>> $7,000
>>>>> and, at this level of playing, wears out in three to five years.
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>> Even though the Lorees have certainly gotten better re: intonation in
>> the past thirty years, could it be that Lorees STILL have the SAME
>> notes out of tune so that a section that has all Lorees will blend
>> together better because they will be out of tune in the same way?
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>> Just a thought. . . .
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