Doublereed Archive - Posting 000091.txt from 2007/06

From: "HAROLD" <harold@-----.br>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] Lovely out-of-tune oboes???
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:26:29 -0400

Dearest Ed:
Again I don't agree.
There's a little lever which is usually on the Loree or can be attached to
regulate turning a little crew of the D key,making the E consequently lower
and closer to zero on the tuning machine.The lower E will resulting lower a
bit but can compensated.The Gs have improved considerably on the new Royals
and I don't always have to play them with the B key as in yea good olden
days .
There are oboes today like the Rigoutat,Howarth and others which used to
be--and stillc are?-- far better in tune than the Lorees.Alain and company
reacted by constructing oboes which are much better in tune.When trying out
a new oboe if we would put on the tuner and select the oboe which tunes the
best rather than "sounds" the best,we would be better off in the long
run.But at most IDRS conventions,everyone is trying to show off so much his
or her technique and judges the oboes(bassoons?) so quickly that rarely will
someone be able to trying each instrument slowly with a tuning machine.
Results: the "best" sounding oboe /bassoon is chosen instead of the best
tuned instrument.
The Royal I prefer today was made in 2000 ,which I purhased in Buenos Aires
at the IDRS. It has an almost perfect tuning and my complaint was that it's
sound was too bright.After its unsolicited "vacation from me"--it was robbed
in 2004 and returned in 2006--it somehow plays darker in tone!
The ideal would be to have two oboes,one which you are "breaking"in to color
darker and darker and one which is already playing the darker sound you
like.(What if you like lighter sounds).Trading in an oboe after 4 months use
to my way of thinking is premature --like picking the grapes too early to
make wine.
The there are other factors:oboes--like other instruments---CAN be
tuned.Howarth of London,in the good ole days--used to take on oboes and
return them months(or years?) later tuned,I am told.Don't know if they have
time today for this service.
The bell would also influence the E's pitch.But who has money--and time--to
look for the right bell.
Yea good ole repairpersons used to be able to open or close the bell for
better tuning of the E.G can be imrpoved lowering the F# key but then the
lower G will flatten
Best,

Harold Emert
Rio,capital of Pan American games

Subject: Re: [DR-L] Lovely out-of-tune oboes???

> Harold,
>
> Every Loree has the same notes out of tune. So when you play them,
> naturally, you lip the out-of-tune notes into tune. So don't tell me that
> the Es and Gs of your Loree aren't sharp. You have to open up, pull in the
> corners of your mouth, lighten the pressure on the reed and bring these
> notes in tune by playing them a bit flat.
>
> Marsha claims that an oboist's face is in constant motion. After a while,
> though, this becomes instinctive and you forget that you're doing it.
> Flutists do the same thing, but there all the action occurs in slight lip
> adjustments and isn't as visible as it is on the oboe.
>
> Edward B. Flowers (ob, EH)
> New York City
>
>
> HAROLD wrote:
>> But --beg to differ ED--a good sound is also playing in tune.My ears hurt
>> to hear "lovely" sounding out of tune oboes play badly phrased and out of
>> the style music.Prefer a tuned oboe/bassoon playing musically and in the
>> style.
>> HHolliger and Leon Goosens sound very good indeed to my ears!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> harold emert
>>
>> in Rio de Janeiro,capital of Pan American games(July)
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed B. Flowers"
>> <flowerse@-----.net>
>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: 21 yr old Elizabeth Koch,Curtis dropout=ASO
>> Principal Oboe
>>
>>
>>> Carlberg,
>>>
>>> Yes, I think this is true. Most Lorees have sharp Es and Gs, etc., but
>>> they sound good. The oboes that are in tune don't have a tone that
>>> sounds as good. I assume that this is a tradeoff, or an obsessively
>>> perfectionist company like Loree would have been making oboes that
>>> played all notes in tune long ago.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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