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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000077.txt from 2007/02
From: "Edward B. Flowers" <flowerse@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] RE: doublereed Digest 4 Feb 2007 22:01:02 -0000 Issue
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:50:25 -0500
Itzik,
As a devotee of Loree, I wonder--have you ever tried a Loree?
I am one of those persons who have never played a Rigoutat that I liked,
and never played a Loree that I didn't like. My teacher also likes
Lorees, though, and she has played Lorees that she didn't like--broader
experience speaking in her case.
I don't like the fact that Loree takes fully 50 percent of the world
oboe market (makes for high prices), but I do think that they have this
enormous market share because (in my experience), they make much better
oboes.
I recently played a Loree AK bore, which I had avoided because it didn't
have a "dark" tone, and found that the AKs are just as entrancing as the
standard bores and the Royals.
Edward B. Flowers (ob)
New York City
Itzik Dekel wrote:
>
> So I can't believe there is no documentation of Rigoutat's production before
> 1959 !!
> Who on this list owns an older instrument and what is the serial number?
>
> Concerning Spedding Micklem fantasy of the E.H. sold to Israel, I can tell
> you this is an instrument that has no low Bb. The thumb plate is a regular
> one. No signs of any other one in the past. Could it be a full silver
> instrument ? Wasn't it regular in those days of ww2 to make full silver
> instrments ?
>
> Its original cloth external cover was a kaki colour made from brezent (or
> whatever you call this army tents cloth). It was in a terrible state so I
> threw it away and made a new one.
>
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:56:05 +0000 (GMT)
> To: doublereed@-----.org
> From: "h.s.micklem" <hsmicklem@-----.com>
> Subject: Re:Age of my English Horn
> Message-ID: <20070204185605.4393.qmail@-----.com>
>
> Yes, those numbers and dates agree with my two
> Rigoutat instruments. However, the letters follow the
> numbers, not precede them. Oboe 334Z was made in 1964.
> I collected it from the little workshop in rue
> Polonceau about September of that year. Roland had
> just taken over the business on the death of his
> father. He was most friendly and we sealed the deal
> with a large glass of vin rouge. It was a very small
> operation then, with only one or two other people in
> the workshop. I then ordered a cor anglais. That was
> ready by early 1965, but I couldn't collect it right
> away and it was sold to another player - from Israel,
> Roland told me. It was probably made with an added
> thumb-plate since that was what I ordered. I finally
> picked up mine, number 117AA later that year.
>
> None of which helps much with the original question
> about number 108 (no letters). Except.... I wonder
> whether the letters might have been accidentally
> omitted. In which case, perhaps Itzik has the very
> instrument that I missed! Just fantasIsing.........but
> I do have a mid-19th century flute by a well-known
> maker which lacks a serial number altogether. There
> seems to be no doubt about its authenticity, and there
> is a handwritten serial number inside the case, but
> nothing on the instrument itself. So such omissions
> can sometimes slip through.
>
> Btw, in case anyone else on the list lives near
> Edinburgh, Scotland, Neil Black will be playing the
> Mozart K452 Quintet and Milhaud's Corrette suite with
> some of us locals on February 18, 3.00pm at St Mark's
> Church, Castle Terrace. Tickets at the door. I'm
> playing the piano part for a change!
>
> Regards to all
>
> Spedding Micklem
>
> ------------------------------
>
>> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:49:42 GMT
>> To: doublereed@-----.org
>> From: "HarperBear" <folkharper@-----.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Age of my English Horn
>> Message-Id:
>>
> <20070203.204952.1570.1329282@-----.com>
>
>> I have a copy of Carl Sawicki's book "The oboe
>>
> revealed" which does =
>
>> show some of the serial numbering systems used by
>>
> some of the makers. =
>
>> According to Mr Sawicki Rigoutat numbers =
>>
>> {quote} =
>>
>> consists of three different formats: a single letter
>>
> followed by =
>
>> numbers, duplicate letters followed by numbers, and
>>
> ascending letters =
>
>> followed by numbers. (This listing includes oboe,
>>
> English horn and =
>
>> oboe d'amore.)
>>
>> Y 1959-1960
>> Z 1961-1964
>>
>> AA 1965-Apr 1966
>> BB Apr 1966-July 1971
>> EE Sept 1971-July 1974
>> HH July 1974-Dec 1976
>> JJ Jan 1977-Dec 1977
>> {end quote}
>>
>> I could go on but your historic instrument probably
>>
> won't be listed in =
>
>> the more recent dates. My question is can you find a
>>
> letter before =
>
>> the '108'?
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Brightest Blessings
>> Jim
>> Oboe, English horn, Folk harp and Recorder artist
>>
>>
>
>
>
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