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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000074.txt from 2007/02
From: Itzik Dekel <dekely@-----.il>
Subj: [DR-L] RE: doublereed Digest 4 Feb 2007 22:01:02 -0000 Issue 1422
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:31:07 -0500
So I can't believe there is no documentation of Rigoutat's production before
1959 !!
Who on this list owns an older instrument and what is the serial number?
Concerning Spedding Micklem fantasy of the E.H. sold to Israel, I can tell
you this is an instrument that has no low Bb. The thumb plate is a regular
one. No signs of any other one in the past. Could it be a full silver
instrument ? Wasn't it regular in those days of ww2 to make full silver
instrments ?
Its original cloth external cover was a kaki colour made from brezent (or
whatever you call this army tents cloth). It was in a terrible state so I
threw it away and made a new one.
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:56:05 +0000 (GMT)
To: doublereed@-----.org
From: "h.s.micklem" <hsmicklem@-----.com>
Subject: Re:Age of my English Horn
Message-ID: <20070204185605.4393.qmail@-----.com>
Yes, those numbers and dates agree with my two
Rigoutat instruments. However, the letters follow the
numbers, not precede them. Oboe 334Z was made in 1964.
I collected it from the little workshop in rue
Polonceau about September of that year. Roland had
just taken over the business on the death of his
father. He was most friendly and we sealed the deal
with a large glass of vin rouge. It was a very small
operation then, with only one or two other people in
the workshop. I then ordered a cor anglais. That was
ready by early 1965, but I couldn't collect it right
away and it was sold to another player - from Israel,
Roland told me. It was probably made with an added
thumb-plate since that was what I ordered. I finally
picked up mine, number 117AA later that year.
None of which helps much with the original question
about number 108 (no letters). Except.... I wonder
whether the letters might have been accidentally
omitted. In which case, perhaps Itzik has the very
instrument that I missed! Just fantasIsing.........but
I do have a mid-19th century flute by a well-known
maker which lacks a serial number altogether. There
seems to be no doubt about its authenticity, and there
is a handwritten serial number inside the case, but
nothing on the instrument itself. So such omissions
can sometimes slip through.
Btw, in case anyone else on the list lives near
Edinburgh, Scotland, Neil Black will be playing the
Mozart K452 Quintet and Milhaud's Corrette suite with
some of us locals on February 18, 3.00pm at St Mark's
Church, Castle Terrace. Tickets at the door. I'm
playing the piano part for a change!
Regards to all
Spedding Micklem
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>
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:49:42 GMT
> To: doublereed@-----.org
> From: "HarperBear" <folkharper@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Age of my English Horn
> Message-Id:
<20070203.204952.1570.1329282@-----.com>
>
> I have a copy of Carl Sawicki's book "The oboe
revealed" which does =
>
> show some of the serial numbering systems used by
some of the makers. =
>
> According to Mr Sawicki Rigoutat numbers =
>
> {quote} =
>
> consists of three different formats: a single letter
followed by =
>
> numbers, duplicate letters followed by numbers, and
ascending letters =
>
> followed by numbers. (This listing includes oboe,
English horn and =
>
> oboe d'amore.)
>
> Y 1959-1960
> Z 1961-1964
>
> AA 1965-Apr 1966
> BB Apr 1966-July 1971
> EE Sept 1971-July 1974
> HH July 1974-Dec 1976
> JJ Jan 1977-Dec 1977
> {end quote}
>
> I could go on but your historic instrument probably
won't be listed in =
>
> the more recent dates. My question is can you find a
letter before =
>
> the '108'?
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Brightest Blessings
> Jim
> Oboe, English horn, Folk harp and Recorder artist
>
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