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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000008.txt from 2007/02

From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] QOD
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:14:57 -0500

Dennis,
Yours is an interesting and thoroughly disproven "conspiracy" theory.
Admittedly Roosevelt needed to enter the war to protect UK from total loss,
but to lose his Pacific Fleet to do so? I doubt it. There was a blockade of
SE Asia to limit Japan's access to oil, rubber, and tin, and to interrupt
shipping in general. For them to break the blockade would have been an "act
of war" so they tried a bigger gesture with the same effect. We were in real
trouble for quite some time, and even politicians are not that dumb.
Ed and I are apparently from the same vintage, and I have an added advantage
in that I am the son of a senior USMC officer. He was able to share a good
deal of (military - not diplomatic) history with me. He landed at
Guadalcanal, Iwo, and Okinawa, so not exactly desk-bound.
I maintain that fewer lives were wasted by Truman's use of massive force in
the nuke. The continued fire-bombing (conventional) of their cities would
have taken at least an equal toll, and an invasion of those singularly
fanatical people would have been outrageous.
Herb

On 2/1/07 3:09 AM, "Dennis Thiel" <dathiel@-----.au> wrote:

> Edwin,
>
> Like you, I reacted to an off topic QOD. It is likely that my age
> exceeds yours and I do have a very good memory. I don't believe there
> ever was a fun war.
>
> You may know of how Roosevelt used subterfuge to ensure that USA was
> attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbour. He dearly wanted to get into
> the European war, but Hitler wouldn't attack anything belonging to US.
> Your Constitution ensured that he could not declare a war without US
> being first attacked. He goaded the Japanese into attacking US, to give
> him the Constitutional right to declare war on Japan, therefore
> automatically upon Germany, against the then will of the US people. That
> he deliberately hoodwinked his own people at Pearl Harbour, greatly
> compounds his treasonable act.
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.
> html
>
> "Those who ignore history are destined to relive it." Relived twice
> ... in Viet Nam and currently, via 9/11, in the Middle East.
>
> This ends my input.
>
> Dennis.
>
>
> Lacy, Edwin wrote:
>> <<<This bombing (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) was not to end the war ... that
>> was already about to happen diplomatically. It was done to frighten the
>> Russians, with an object lesson.>>>
>>
>> I am very reluctant to enter this conversation, which undoubtedly is
>> about as far off-topic as we could get. However, I hate to see this
>> kind of assertion disseminated without being questioned.
>>
>> Undoubtedly, whoever wrote this is not as old as I am, and probably
>> doesn't have as clear a memory of the World War II era as I do.
>> (SNIP)
>>
>> Ed Lacy
>> University of Evansville
>>
>
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