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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000032.txt from 2007/01

From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] Profanity????
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:33:45 -0500

I received the same. Maybe Mark or the woman who runs the other list has
some idea of what is going on.
Admittedly, some of the content has not been of a musical nature, but I
rarely use profanity (in print).
Was it signed by Ann Coulter?
Herb

On 1/3/07 5:14 PM, "David Lurie" <klingsor@-----.com> wrote:

>
> Now here's an interesting exchange of msgs that I just had regarding
> several msgs between myself and Herb. Does whoever sent it really
> think that anyone who has the temerity to criticize Pres Bush is
> uttering profanities?
>
> Here's the msg that I just received:
>
> To: <klingsor@-----.com>
> Subject: [MailServer Notification]Content Filtering Notification
>
> This email has violated the PROFANITY.and Quarantine entire message
> has been taken on 1/3/2007 4:22:04 PM.
> Message details:
> Server:HQ-CON-02
> Sender: klingsor@-----.com;
> Recipient:doublereeds@-----.org;
> Subject:Re: [doublereeds] MUTS speaks on Separation of Church and State
>
> This was in response to the following msg that I had sent a little earlier:
>
> To: doublereeds@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [doublereeds] MUTS speaks on Separation of Church and State
>
> At 02:38 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote:
>> Mike,
>> I am in accord with your message. I do, however, have a problem with those
>> who assume our president has a low IQ. On what evidence do his detractors
>> make that allusion?
>
> Hi Herb.
>
> I can tell you I had the impression at first that he George Bush was
> not very bright at all, just because at first he acted like a
> stumblebum, making all sorts of verbal and other gaffes in speech,
> and generally appearing incompetent. I have since revised my opinion
> about his intelligence. While I would not classify him as brilliant
> in any way, he does seem to be at least competent to discuss many of
> the issues he deals with. At least he is able to give some
> coherence to his policies and arguments. So the supposed low level
> off his intelligence is not for me an issue of any kind now.
>
> However, very much worse is the set of values he espouses, and puts
> into practice. His lies about Iraq which he used as a justification
> for the invasion and occupation of that country resulting in the
> abominably bad results that we all know about.
>
> I happen to agree with the rest of your very well-written msg.
>
> Happy new year.
>
> David
>
>> He did complete University and he has learned to fly a
>> complex jet fighter, after all. Naturally, that does not qualify him for
>> "leader of the free world", but neither does it give us reason to impugn his
>> basic intelligence; only his judgment and reason.
>> Bush's "faith-based" reasons for appointments are repugnant, and his
>> wooden-headedness in the conduct of this war (which I DO believe is/was
>> necessary) is unacceptable. We all tend to excuse executives for their
>> reliance on expert counsel, but in this case he has chosen to "cherry pick"
>> with negative results.
>> Religion impedes intellectual progress by its insistence on mythology as a
>> guide for living. The current nonsense about cloning and stem cells is an
>> abhorrent interference into valuable progress and the hope of alleviating
>> some of man's suffering. We have interfered in "God's work" since the first
>> time an ancestor chose to plant a particular seed because it produced a
>> better crop. Corn has been hybridized since before my memory. Everyone still
>> eats popcorn, no? Irradiation of foods could eliminate contaminant organisms
>> and prolong freshness. How bad is that?
>> The Adamses were cast out from the garden of Eden for eating the fruit of
>> the Tree of Knowledge, (a sin?) and ignorant religious fanatics have
>> interfered with access to verifiable truth ever since.
>> Yuk!
>> Herb
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/07 3:29 AM, "Mike" <benthin@-----.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Though not doublereed in subject, I couldn't help but desire to jump in to
>>> this
>>> thread begun on the woodwind.org doublereed list-
>>>
>>> Like it or not, we are all held by the exogenous indoctrination within our
>>> youth-
>>> to break that hold we brought up our daughter with no religious bias but a
>>> good
>>> understanding of seeking the roots of any "pretty tree" out there
>> whose fruits
>>> are infallible. Although an artist now, she has a deep interest in science
>>> and
>>> the natural world, having all her life chosen to watch "Nova",
>> "Cosmos", and
>>> the
>>> many choices on the Discovery, National Geographic, and Science
>> channel. It
>>> is
>>> the arrogance of religion that bothers her most, for any "true" believer to
>>> continue his faith MUST assume another religion is false and bring up their
>>> offspring to accept bias from birth to INSURE the validity of that faith.
>>> In
>>> our US chief executive (and unfortunately, military commander in
>> chief) we can
>>> see that faith overides reason - his appointment choices are not
>> based on who
>>> is
>>> the best for a job as determined by peer review, but who is most
>> in line with
>>> his religious views. A danger, as it has held back advances in
>> health care
>>> and
>>> research in limiting global warming. The majority religion here has an
>>> inherent
>>> distrust of science, stemming back to the Garden of Eden belief and the
>>> Serpent's
>>> prodding of Eve to have her eyes opened by eating from the tree
>> of Knowledge.
>>> The public in their own religious bias overlooked his IQ
>> when electing
>>> him
>>> and now are finally disturbed by his narrow minded choices that
>> ignores the
>>> reason of the majority. We believe that reason based on science
>> eventually
>>> will
>>> win out with many unfortunate pitfalls along the way- Homo sapiens is
>>> finally
>>> surpassing the abilities ascribed to its creator by its much more ignorant
>>> ancestors. I gave up believing in any "intelligent creative power" when I
>>> realized I could do a much better job than any described and believed in by
>>> religion. Concrete example- study parasitism and you will realize the
>>> opportunism of evolution and the obvious lack of any divine
>> reason in insuring
>>> the suffering of millions-only now by our own seeking/keeping of knowledge
>>> are
>>> we beating back what has evolved with us to take advantage of us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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