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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000031.txt from 2007/01
From: David Lurie <klingsor@-----.com>
Subj: [DR-L] Profanity????
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:14:37 -0500
Now here's an interesting exchange of msgs that I just had regarding
several msgs between myself and Herb. Does whoever sent it really
think that anyone who has the temerity to criticize Pres Bush is
uttering profanities?
Here's the msg that I just received:
To: <klingsor@-----.com>
Subject: [MailServer Notification]Content Filtering Notification
This email has violated the PROFANITY.and Quarantine entire message
has been taken on 1/3/2007 4:22:04 PM.
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Subject:Re: [doublereeds] MUTS speaks on Separation of Church and State
This was in response to the following msg that I had sent a little earlier:
To: doublereeds@-----.org
Subject: Re: [doublereeds] MUTS speaks on Separation of Church and State
At 02:38 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote:
>Mike,
>I am in accord with your message. I do, however, have a problem with those
>who assume our president has a low IQ. On what evidence do his detractors
>make that allusion?
Hi Herb.
I can tell you I had the impression at first that he George Bush was
not very bright at all, just because at first he acted like a
stumblebum, making all sorts of verbal and other gaffes in speech,
and generally appearing incompetent. I have since revised my opinion
about his intelligence. While I would not classify him as brilliant
in any way, he does seem to be at least competent to discuss many of
the issues he deals with. At least he is able to give some
coherence to his policies and arguments. So the supposed low level
off his intelligence is not for me an issue of any kind now.
However, very much worse is the set of values he espouses, and puts
into practice. His lies about Iraq which he used as a justification
for the invasion and occupation of that country resulting in the
abominably bad results that we all know about.
I happen to agree with the rest of your very well-written msg.
Happy new year.
David
> He did complete University and he has learned to fly a
>complex jet fighter, after all. Naturally, that does not qualify him for
>"leader of the free world", but neither does it give us reason to impugn his
>basic intelligence; only his judgment and reason.
>Bush's "faith-based" reasons for appointments are repugnant, and his
>wooden-headedness in the conduct of this war (which I DO believe is/was
>necessary) is unacceptable. We all tend to excuse executives for their
>reliance on expert counsel, but in this case he has chosen to "cherry pick"
>with negative results.
>Religion impedes intellectual progress by its insistence on mythology as a
>guide for living. The current nonsense about cloning and stem cells is an
>abhorrent interference into valuable progress and the hope of alleviating
>some of man's suffering. We have interfered in "God's work" since the first
>time an ancestor chose to plant a particular seed because it produced a
>better crop. Corn has been hybridized since before my memory. Everyone still
>eats popcorn, no? Irradiation of foods could eliminate contaminant organisms
>and prolong freshness. How bad is that?
>The Adamses were cast out from the garden of Eden for eating the fruit of
>the Tree of Knowledge, (a sin?) and ignorant religious fanatics have
>interfered with access to verifiable truth ever since.
>Yuk!
>Herb
>
>
>On 1/3/07 3:29 AM, "Mike" <benthin@-----.net> wrote:
>
> > Though not doublereed in subject, I couldn't help but desire to jump in to
> > this
> > thread begun on the woodwind.org doublereed list-
> >
> > Like it or not, we are all held by the exogenous indoctrination within our
> > youth-
> > to break that hold we brought up our daughter with no religious bias but a
> > good
> > understanding of seeking the roots of any "pretty tree" out there
> whose fruits
> > are infallible. Although an artist now, she has a deep interest in science
> > and
> > the natural world, having all her life chosen to watch "Nova",
> "Cosmos", and
> > the
> > many choices on the Discovery, National Geographic, and Science
> channel. It
> > is
> > the arrogance of religion that bothers her most, for any "true" believer to
> > continue his faith MUST assume another religion is false and bring up their
> > offspring to accept bias from birth to INSURE the validity of that faith.
> > In
> > our US chief executive (and unfortunately, military commander in
> chief) we can
> > see that faith overides reason - his appointment choices are not
> based on who
> > is
> > the best for a job as determined by peer review, but who is most
> in line with
> > his religious views. A danger, as it has held back advances in
> health care
> > and
> > research in limiting global warming. The majority religion here has an
> > inherent
> > distrust of science, stemming back to the Garden of Eden belief and the
> > Serpent's
> > prodding of Eve to have her eyes opened by eating from the tree
> of Knowledge.
> > The public in their own religious bias overlooked his IQ
> when electing
> > him
> > and now are finally disturbed by his narrow minded choices that
> ignores the
> > reason of the majority. We believe that reason based on science
> eventually
> > will
> > win out with many unfortunate pitfalls along the way- Homo sapiens is
> > finally
> > surpassing the abilities ascribed to its creator by its much more ignorant
> > ancestors. I gave up believing in any "intelligent creative power" when I
> > realized I could do a much better job than any described and believed in by
> > religion. Concrete example- study parasitism and you will realize the
> > opportunism of evolution and the obvious lack of any divine
> reason in insuring
> > the suffering of millions-only now by our own seeking/keeping of knowledge
> > are
> > we beating back what has evolved with us to take advantage of us.
> >
> >
> >
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