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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000023.txt from 2006/02
From: "Sameer Al-Abdullah" <simsim29@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:52:54 -0500
--Cimarosa, quite fetching and looked into the oboist a
bit. The oboist happened to be Pierre Pierlot--
Stephen,
I have that recording as well as too many other recordings of other players
playing Cimarosa and i never heard anything as beautiful and emotional as
Pierre Pierlot's. That man plays with a great deal of feelings the notes
sound like a human crying.
On the other hand I think Heinz Holliger is a bit too thin maybe and Allan
Vogel is too dark and velvety you wouldnt think it's an oboe!! I used to be
puzzled about dark versus bright and didnt understand what the heck is this
fuss all about!! I tried to produce a thin sound using french reeds then
somehow changed my mind and went the American way and tried to produced a
dark one. then I realized that I didnt like either!!! I decided somewhere in
the middle is good and as long as I sounded nice that that should be what
its all about right?? A few people told me that Oboist in the US think too
much about these things and analyze too much. No offence to them but I too
think too much and their thinking got me to think more than i already did
and I got to the point where I just couldnt think anymore!!!! LoL
I say if it sounds nice and right then we should just enjoy it for what it
is, dark, bright, red, black, sunny or cloudy whatever you wanna call it
just listen and enjoy!!
cheers everyone
Sameer Al-Abdullah
From: Stephen Kaupiko <musicman@-----.net>
Reply-To: doublereed@-----.org
To: doublereed@-----.org
Subject: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 02:17:33 -0800 (PST)
>What an interesting topic. I had the opportunity to
>study with a student of Ray Still for a short while
>not too long ago. On the subject of oboists to listen
>to I was given a short list with Ray Still, Allan
>Vogel, Alex Klein, and Gelato something or other, but
>on top of that I was implicitly told NEVER to buy a CD
>of Heinz Holliger with the reason being that his tone
>was similar to that of a synthesizer.
>
>In my search of oboe recordings I found I loved the
>playing of many oboists regardless of where they were
>from. I particularly found a lovely little piece,
>Cimarosa, quite fetching and looked into the oboist a
>bit. The oboist happened to be Pierre Pierlot, who I
>came to find out was Holliger's teacher.
>
>Go fig.
>
>I did eventually get to listen to Holliger and I find
>he plays quite well. I would understand why those who
>prefer a dark full bodied timbre would be against it,
>but it just a matter of individual taste. I'm sure
>there are Holliger fans that might have some other
>oboist up their sleeves to suggest to their students
>as an example of really bad timbre. Holliger just
>happens to be uber famous thorn towards those who
>prefer darker timbre and so is a popular example.
>
>I just like a well performed piece. My favorite
>oboists sound nothing alike.
>
>Regards,
>Stephen
>
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