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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000007.txt from 2006/02

From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:50:52 -0500

I have heard several of the players you listed. Never cared much for
Stotijn, although my friend Don Jaeger studied with him and I love to hear
him play. I suspect the various recording media in those days may have
emphasized those things I don't like at the expense of losing the rich
middle partials. Tabuteau sounded transcendentally better in person,
although good enough when recorded.
Musicality is always there!
Herb

On 2/1/06 1:22 AM, "Geoff Pearce" <oboist2@-----.au> wrote:

> I think it is undeniable also that Holliger is an artist, and in many
> people's eyes (outside the US obviously) Holliger is probably recognised as
> the greatest oboist of the 20th Century. It is not a matter of selling out,
> I am sure Holliger's students ( or Goossens, Stotijn, Pierlot, Hantak ,
> Steins, Koch or any other great player) feel as much in awe of his artistry
> and playing as many of you would hold say Tabuteau or Still or any of the
> other folk you hold so dear. One has to be careful what one says, and
> also open one's ears and minds to other ideas and sounds to what you hold
> familiar. It may never be fully appreciated, but not a good idea to
> denigrate.
>
> All the best
> Geoff Pearce
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: herb fawcett
> Date: 02/01/06 17:59:45
> To: doublereed@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
>
> What I heard of Mr. Still's remark was not purely a trivialization of Mr.
> Holliger's work. It is undeniable that he is a virtuoso and possibly an
> Artist as well. What it sounded like was " I am unwilling to sell out that
> Easily". I know for a fact that I would prefer to hear Mr. Still play
> Anything, but then we each have our preferences. I don't really like the
> Sound of the Peking opera much either.
> Herb
>
>
> On 1/31/06 11:00 PM, "Isaac Bull" <contrareed@-----.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi there...
>>
>> Do agree with your point - it is about priorities and where each
> respective
>> artist makes them...
>>
>> However re Mr. Still's comment, if he did make it as alleged, it is
>> unfortunate that he chose to criticize someone who, although with
> different
>> priorities than himself, nonetheless achieved a high level of artistry and
>
>> international acclaim.
>>
>> Just because one has a different style / different priorities does not
> make
>> them less of an artist, if they truly make music from their heart and soul
>
>>
>> That is what makes forums like this one so valuable because various
> elements
>> of double reed playing can be discussed while tolerating players of so
> many
>> different levels, styles and backgrounds.
>>
>> Best wishes to all,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rhondda May" <rmay@-----.com>
>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
>>
>>
>>> No, it's also a matter of where a musician wants to put his time and
>>> effort. For Mr. Still, the ability to wiggle one's fingers fast was not
>>> what playing the oboe was about. The same goes for Mr. Bloom and many,
>>> many other great oboists, American, English, European, whatever.
>>>
>>> It's really about the different personalities involved. It's one person
>>> comparing another's priorities to his own and saying, "I don't understand
>
>>> why that is his priority."
>>>
>>> You should not say such things about people who were giants in their time
>
>>> It's rude and very disrespectful. Yes, this is a flippant comment that
>>> does not reflect well on the person who *allegedly* made it. But that
> does
>>> not give you or anyone else on this list the right to insult Mr. Still.
>>>
>>> Your comments to not add anything to rational discourse.
>>> Rhondda May
>>> Hong Kong
>>>
>>> On 1 Feb 06, at 6:29 AM, Wai Kit Leung wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course I know very well factors other than reeds affect the tone one
>>>> produces on the oboe (or on the bassoon for that matter). Does that make
>
>>>> Mr. Still any more capable of approaching Mr. Holliger's virtuosity on
>>>> the oboe? Brighter tone --> faster technique? I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> A bit of sour grape from a less capable (but by no means not good)
> oboist
>>>> I suppose.
>>>>
>>>> Wai Kit Leung
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:25:40 -0800
>>>>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
>>>>> From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: Tinny-Ness of gramophones
>>>>> Message-ID: <C004C174.10655%herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wai Kit,
>>>>> You know there is more to it than just the reed. Concept of sound, lip
>>>>> pressure, tongue placement, breath control, etc. It all makes a
>>>>> difference.
>>>>> Herb
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/06 5:52 AM, "Wai Kit Leung" <wkleung11@-----.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be thrilled to send Mr. Still some light French reeds and
>>>>> see if he
>>>>>> could indeed play like Mr. Holliger (at least speed-wise).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wai Kit Leung
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:04:37 -0800
>>>>>>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
>>>>>>> From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Tinny-Ness of gramophones
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <C003CD75.10590%herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard Ray Still comment on that fellow's playing once. He said,
>>>>> "if I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> willing to sound like that, I could also play all that stuff that
>>>>> fast". If
>>>>>>> not verbatim, it was very close to that.
>>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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