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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000005.txt from 2006/02

From: barbara trautwein <mzeztee@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:51:22 -0500

These remarks are based upon a view of American musical life in the 20th
century. . . .

B

barbara trautwein wrote:

> I remember the snide remarks made by professional orchestral clarinet
> players when Richard Stoltzman made a fine career out of solo playing.
> There was a whole GENERATION of players who never thought to try to
> launch a solo career. It just wasn't done. "there was no market". If
> you look back to the 1950's one is hard pressed to find a wind player
> with a real solo career. Yeah, Reginald Kell maybe. But until Rampal
> and Galway hit the stages as solo flute players, the idea had not caught
> on. Mozart's 200th birthday brought to the edge of the stage a few
> orchestral winds (clarinets and bassoons) to play his concertos and the
> Philadelphia Orchestra issued a "first chair" lp with its principal
> winds playing solo pieces but if a young player wanted to earn a living
> playing music at the highest level in those days, the goal had to be to
> get an orchestral job. Ray Still certainly falls into that generation.
>
> B
>
> Geoff Pearce wrote:
>
>> I think it is undeniable also that Holliger is an artist, and in many
>> people's eyes (outside the US obviously) Holliger is probably
>> recognised as
>> the greatest oboist of the 20th Century. It is not a matter of
>> selling out,
>> I am sure Holliger's students ( or Goossens, Stotijn, Pierlot, Hantak ,
>> Steins, Koch or any other great player) feel as much in awe of his
>> artistry
>> and playing as many of you would hold say Tabuteau or Still or any of
>> the
>> other folk you hold so dear. One has to be careful what one says, and
>> also open one's ears and minds to other ideas and sounds to what you hold
>> familiar. It may never be fully appreciated, but not a good idea to
>> denigrate.
>>
>> All the best
>> Geoff Pearce
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: herb fawcett Date: 02/01/06 17:59:45 To: doublereed@-----.org
>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz Holliger
>> What I heard of Mr. Still's remark was not purely a trivialization of
>> Mr. Holliger's work. It is undeniable that he is a virtuoso and
>> possibly an Artist as well. What it sounded like was " I am unwilling
>> to sell out that Easily". I know for a fact that I would prefer to
>> hear Mr. Still play Anything, but then we each have our preferences. I
>> don't really like the Sound of the Peking opera much either. Herb
>>
>> On 1/31/06 11:00 PM, "Isaac Bull" <contrareed@-----.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there...
>>> Do agree with your point - it is about priorities and where each
>>
>>
>> respective
>>
>>> artist makes them...
>>> However re Mr. Still's comment, if he did make it as alleged, it is
>>> unfortunate that he chose to criticize someone who, although with
>>
>>
>> different
>>
>>> priorities than himself, nonetheless achieved a high level of
>>> artistry and
>>
>>
>>
>>> international acclaim.
>>> Just because one has a different style / different priorities does not
>>
>>
>> make
>>
>>> them less of an artist, if they truly make music from their heart and
>>> soul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That is what makes forums like this one so valuable because various
>>
>>
>> elements
>>
>>> of double reed playing can be discussed while tolerating players of so
>>
>>
>> many
>>
>>> different levels, styles and backgrounds.
>>> Best wishes to all,
>>> Isaac
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhondda May"
>>> <rmay@-----.org> Sent: Tuesday,
>>> January 31, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [DR-L] RE: Ray Still/Heinz
>>> Holliger
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, it's also a matter of where a musician wants to put his time and
>>>> effort. For Mr. Still, the ability to wiggle one's fingers fast was
>>>> not what playing the oboe was about. The same goes for Mr. Bloom and
>>>> many, many other great oboists, American, English, European, whatever.
>>>> It's really about the different personalities involved. It's one
>>>> person comparing another's priorities to his own and saying, "I
>>>> don't understand
>>
>>
>>
>>>> why that is his priority."
>>>> You should not say such things about people who were giants in their
>>>> time
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> It's rude and very disrespectful. Yes, this is a flippant comment
>>>> that does not reflect well on the person who *allegedly* made it.
>>>> But that
>>
>>
>> does
>>
>>>> not give you or anyone else on this list the right to insult Mr. Still.
>>>> Your comments to not add anything to rational discourse. Rhondda May
>>>> Hong Kong
>>>> On 1 Feb 06, at 6:29 AM, Wai Kit Leung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Of course I know very well factors other than reeds affect the tone
>>>>> one produces on the oboe (or on the bassoon for that matter). Does
>>>>> that make
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Mr. Still any more capable of approaching Mr. Holliger's virtuosity
>>>>> on the oboe? Brighter tone --> faster technique? I don't think so.
>>>>> A bit of sour grape from a less capable (but by no means not good)
>>
>>
>> oboist
>>
>>>>> I suppose.
>>>>> Wai Kit Leung
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:25:40 -0800 To:
>>>>>> <doublereed@-----.org> From: herb fawcett
>>>>>> <herbgosia@-----.net> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: Tinny-Ness of
>>>>>> gramophones Message-ID: <C004C174.10655%herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>> Wai Kit, You know there is more to it than just the reed. Concept
>>>>>> of sound, lip pressure, tongue placement, breath control, etc. It
>>>>>> all makes a difference. Herb
>>>>>> On 1/31/06 5:52 AM, "Wai Kit Leung" <wkleung11@-----.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be thrilled to send Mr. Still some light French reeds and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see if he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could indeed play like Mr. Holliger (at least speed-wise).
>>>>>>> Wai Kit Leung
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:04:37 -0800 To:
>>>>>>>> <doublereed@-----.org> From: herb fawcett
>>>>>>>> <herbgosia@-----.net> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Tinny-Ness of
>>>>>>>> gramophones Message-ID: <C003CD75.10590%herbgosia@-----.net>
>>>>>>>> I heard Ray Still comment on that fellow's playing once. He said,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "if I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> was willing to sound like that, I could also play all that stuff
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fast". If
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not verbatim, it was very close to that. Herb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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