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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000080.txt from 2006/01

From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] Re: Stravinsky and Copland
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:36:27 -0500

Hi Phil,
The section at #41 in Appalachian Spring (the small version) My part is
rental from Boosey if that helps locate the spot.
I didn't say M. Stravinsky taught Copland, just influenced him. As he did
many others.
Herb

On 1/29/06 2:07 PM, "PhilFrei@-----.com> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Just curious, what is a good example of a piece by Copland that is similar to
> a piece by Stravinsky?
>
> The similarity between the two that I am aware of is that both made heavy use
> of folk melodies at some points in their careers. I don't know if I was more
> disappointed to hear the original fiddle melodies played that were used in
> "Rodeo" or the folk songs sung by a Russian chorus that were used in
> "Petrushka."
> My main disappointment is in the presumption that they had created these gems
> (some of my favorite moments in each work) from scratch, brilliant like a
> Borodin or Mussorgsky melody. I read that Mussorgsky didn't use actual folk
> tunes, but strove to understand and use their characteristics, as he felt that
> writing a music that was more clearly connected to the language would be more
> "Russian".
>
> Is it considered "Russian" to make use of open fourths, and "American" to
> make use of open fifths? So many things are being trade-marked today, I'd hate
> to
> think these fine intervals might become restricted.
>
> Copland studied with Nadia Boulanger, Stravinsky with Rimksy-Korsakoff. Was
> there a Boulanger-Rimsky connection? Maybe indirectly through Debussy's being
> strongly influenced by Mussorgsky?
>
> Were their (Copland & Stravinsky) temperments and values similar? That sort
> of thing would be harder to ascribe to "influence" but could lend itself to
> similar aesthetics.
>
> - Phil Freihofner
>
> In a message dated 1/29/2006 2:02:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> doublereed-digest-help@-----.org writes:
>
> No; not at all. I just thought that such laudatory remarks smelled a little
> of pandering when he was so obviously influenced by Stravinsky.
> Statistically it is probably difficult to write anything so clearly original
> that there is no possible connection to the past.
> I am a great admirer of Copland's music, and Mozart's, and Stravinsky's
> etc.I love 'em all. Do you like the Dohnanyi variations on nursery tune?
> Yeah, Mozart liked the tune too, but I haven't yet found it in Copland's
> work; probably doesn't lend itself well to open fourths.
> Herb
>
>
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