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From: herb fawcett <herbgosia@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] re: tinny-ness of gramophones
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:46:47 -0500

I really love Archie Camden's K191 as I do Oubradous' K191 and the spurious
#2. Even modern cleaned up CDs don't get rid of the junk on those old
recordings. I used to have an LP that had some stuff on it that was done by
Kell when he was here for a while. Wow, what an influential clarinetist.
Never could get around the European oboe style,especially the English and
the Dutch. I guess I was "Labate and Tabuteau-washed". Now there is such a
homogeneity of sound in all the instruments. A pity in a way. Fortunately
style remains quite personal.
Best,
Herb

On 1/28/06 11:26 PM, "Geoff Pearce" <oboist2@-----.au> wrote:

> Well I had one - actually I believe that a company in India is still
> making them. I had a few hundred 78 records to go with it, including the
> Mozart oboe Quartet (leon Goossens), Clarinet Quintet (Reginald Kell) and
> Bassoon Concerto (Archie Camden) - They were just some of the great
> recordings I had - sounded fantastic on the old gramophone, especially if
> you sat back a little. Some recordings, just like today, were better
> than others, but in interpretation, but also surface noise. I only hope
> that more are released in CD, BUT - there was an atmosphere all of its
> own on gramophone.
>
> I listen to a lot of modern recordings, a great deal of scholarship, and
> my God, what technique - but sometimes there is a decided lack of soul or
> true "atmosphere"
>
> Geoff Pearce
> Oboe
> Sydney
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: herb fawcett
> Date: 01/29/06 17:19:58
> To: doublereed@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [DR-L] re: tinny-ness of gramophones
>
> We had one where you could use either the steel needle or one adapted from a
>
> Cactus needle. Wish I still had it. That and the ice box which used a block
> Of ice, and a wet rag covered the butter.
> Herb
>
>
> On 1/28/06 10:36 PM, "john vasko" <boanerges@-----.net> wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>> have you ever seen or listened to a real old Gramaphone (brand name),
>> the kind one had to wind up, with the needle attached to a small
>> diaphragm
>> from which the sound emanated? I used to have one. It was somewhat
>> tinny and false of tone.
>> I'm sure you did not make your recording with such a device.
>> John Vasko
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Keith Sklower wrote:
>>
>>> Though I agree with the overall sentiment of Shaw's poem,
>>> the lines:
>>>
>>> }I have listened to music from a gramophone,
>>> }It is somewhat tinny and false in tone.
>>>
>>> are fighting words to a recording engineer!
>>>
>>> I made a recording of a live chamber music concert a couple or 3 years
>>> ago of 2 Oboe and English Horn music that was accurate enough that
>>> Yvgeny Izotov gave a copy to his former teacher Ralph Gomberg,
>>> and San Francisco Symphony English Hornist Julie Giaccobassi's husband
>>> has been trying to persuade her to release it ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Keith L. Sklower
>>>
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