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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000074.txt from 2004/08

From: "Jonathan Dlouhy" <dlouhy@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] Re: Those awful Chinese instruments
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:07:48 -0400

You're right. I don't know you. I guess I felt we had kind of a little
"bonding" experience, but I can see you're really angry right now, so in
retrospect I see now that I was wrong.

--
Jonathan Dlouhy
Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:00:48 PM
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"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."-
George W. Bush

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Bridge" <geoffrey.bridge@-----.com>
To: <doublereed@-----.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: Those awful Chinese instruments

>
>
>
> On 11/8/04 11:17 pm, "Jonathan Dlouhy" <dlouhy@-----.net> wrote:
>
> > I like you, you're funny.
>
>
> I am sometimes regarded as pretty funny I admit, but my reply to you was
not
> intended as a joke. Just an attempt to put the record straight!
>
> Your assertion that the Loree make is the "best in the world" is an
> impossible claim even with the rider - which you make - of your
> subjectivity.
> What are your criteria for this claim? Maybe you could tell us - we would
be
> interested. To say "it is the best for me" is insufficient when making
such
> statements in the wide wide world of the web. You are making an enormous
> statement which other readers, not in the know, might be unduly influenced
> by. That is grossly unfair on other makers and patently untrue.
> So which qualities compared to other makes, which points of reference are
> you using to substantiate your statement? Presumably you thinking just of
> the American market; this forum is read world wide.
>
> By the way you can't possibly know that you like me. You don't know me at
> all!
>
>
>
> Geoffrey Bridge
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Geoffrey Bridge" <geoffrey.bridge@-----.com>
> > To: <doublereed@-----.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: Those awful Chinese instruments
> >
> >
> >> "the best oboes in the world" Bit of a sweeping statement.
> >> All the superb professional oboists in the world who play on other
> >> instruments than Loree are therefore missing out are they? I don't
believe
> >> so.
> >> They too have tried everything going as well. Viz. Marigaux, Howarth
> >> Rigoutat, Josef, Laubin etc. etc. The instrument that they choose suits
> > them
> >> and they may also believe that the maker is the "best in the world".
> >>
> >> By what criteria are you measuring Loree as this "best in the world"
make?
> >> Certainly the scale can be poor with very flat low register, the
response
> >> uneven and also they can show problem notes just like any other maker.
I
> >> have tried many of the brand myself and know this to be true. If they
were
> >> the "best in the world" not one of their instruments would ever have a
> >> problem. Or at least they wouldn't be released on the unsuspecting
public
> > if
> >> they found them not up to a standard.
> >>
> >> Having played on a make for a long number of years gets you used to the
> >> brand. Sometimes and most usually - with any make - a particular
specimen
> >> has everything going for it and others can be poor. That is as true for
> >> Loree as any of the others. You probably know the Loree so well that
other
> >> makes seem foreign to you and not as good as the oboe you are used to.
> >>
> >> The best in the world is the one which has it all whoever made it. No
> > maker
> >> has that privilege YET.
> >>
> >> Geoff bridge
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/8/04 7:11 pm, "Jonathan Dlouhy" <dlouhy@-----.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would. I try other brands of instruments of frequently as humanly
> >>> possible. To imply that I play on Loree oboes for reasons other than
> > that I
> >>> think they're the best oboes is ridiculous. Rigoutat happens to be a
> >>> "big-name" brand instrument, like some of the others you mentioned,
> > Howarth,
> >>> Marigaux.
> >>> I play on Loree oboes because they are the best oboes in the world.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jonathan Dlouhy
> >>> Principal Oboe,
> >>> Atlanta Symphony Orchestra
> >>> Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:11:07 PM
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "cflat" <cflat@-----.net>
> >>> To: <doublereed@-----.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:20 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [DR-L] Re: Those awful Chinese instruments
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> I'm curious if the professional oboists that play Loree would be
> >>>> open to playing other brands of instruments. I know that most
> >>>> play Loree but is it because it's truly the best? Is it because
> >>>> we have been raised on the Loree sound and so that's what we
> >>>> like? Is it because that is what is expected in the big
> >>>> symphonies in the US? I bought my daughter a Rigoutat, her band
> >>>> director said nice instrument...never heard of it. I wouldn't
> >>>> have expected him to. I had heard of very few other oboe makers
> >>>> besides Loree until I joined this list. In fact, I would not have
> >>>> considered anything else until this list opened my eyes to the
> >>>> existence of other brands and I love the Rigoutat. I know there
> >>>> are a few people who play in major US symphonies playing something
> >>>> other than Loree. Would most other top players really be open to
> >>>> playing a Rigoutat, Marigaux, Yamaha, Howarth, Gordet, etc? (in
> >>>> the US of course).
> >>>> Just Curious also,
> >>>> Charles
> >>>>
> >>>>> Phil, did you say that the Yamaha oboes are giving Loree a run
> >>>> for their
> >>>>> money? I've tried a lot of those oboes and can't say I've had
> >>>> that
> >>>>> experience, I haven't tried any significant numbers in about two
> >>>> years,
> >>>>> so maybe they are quite a bit better now. Phil, have you tried
> >>>> the Yamahas
> >>>>> lately? If you have maybe I need to try 10-12 of them again.
> >>>> Please do let
> >>>>> me know as I am always curious.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jonathan Dlouhy
> >>>> Principal Oboe,
> >>>> Atlanta Symphony Orchestra
> >>>> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:20:43 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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