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Doublereed Archive - Posting 000073.txt from 2003/03
From: David Lurie <david.lurie@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [DR-L] [Dblrd-L] Quote of the Day
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:26:39 -0500
At 06:23 PM 3/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Isn't congress the representative of the people in our system?
I think that's the way it was originally set up, and is supposed to be
like. But over the course of years has evolved into something quite differ
ent.
>Isn't congress required to declare a state of war?
I thought so too, but not since the WW2, has it ever happened that way.
Just think of all the wars that have happened since then, like Korea - oh,
whoops pardon me, that was really a "Police Action", not a war, and Viet
Nam. I don;t know that looked like it was a real war, but I guess Congress
- or somebody - forgot it was supposed to have been "declared" and never
got around to it. Then there were quite a few3e others too, like Panama,
Grenada, etc etc etc.
>Isn't congress enjoined from declaring war if we are not attacked? As I
>remember, there was some problem with that during the early second world w
ar.
I don't know about this, but it looks like you may have a good point there.
>Does the World Trade Center disaster qualify as an attack on us?
Well, it certainly does on the structures, and I suppose by extension on
the country, but the problem is that they can't pin down definitely on
anyone with the possible exception of the shadowy Al Queda. Wars are
usually fought between countries, but that;'s not a country. So it's kind
of a murky situation here. One thing though is immediately obvious:
it definitely wasn't Iraq that did it.
> And if so, by whom?
Your guess is as good as anybody else's.
>BTW what are the fruits reaped from war which are so attractive to
>governments?
There are indeed lots of them: power and prestige for the winning side,
more territory, world- and economic influence, mineral riches of other
sorts such as petroleum, geopolitical power, and many more goodies of that
sort. I'm quite surprised you didn't already understand about all of that.
David
>From: Oboeeee@-----.com
>Reply-To: doublereed-l@-----.edu
>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:25:46 EST
>To: doublereed-l@-----.edu
>Subject: [DR-L] [Dblrd-L] Quote of the Day
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>"War ... should only be declared by the authority of the people, whose
>toils and treasures are to support its burdens, instead of the government
>which is to reap its fruits."
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>-James Madison (1751=AD1836) 4th U.S. president
>=B3Universal Peace=B2 (January 31, 1792). W.T. Hutchinson et al., The Pape
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>of James Madison, vol. 14, p. 207, Chicago and Charlottesville, Virginia
>(1962-1991)
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